Does God Speak through the Bible or the Holy Spirit?

Father, Son, and Holy Bible?

how does God speak to us?

Bible Verses: 1 Corinthians 2:11-14

How does God speak to us? Does the Bible or the Holy Spirit teach us everything we need to know about God? Does the Bible or the Holy Spirit lead us to an intimate relationship with the Father? Does the Bible or the Holy Spirit fill us with the power to obey and have the knowledge to please God? According to the Bible, the answer is “the Holy Spirit” to all of these questions.

What the Bible does claim, however, is that the Holy Spirit will speak through the Scriptures to teach us about God.

How Does God Speak to Us? The Holy Spirit Speaks Through the Bible

God the Holy Spirit uses the Scriptures to guide, fill, and accomplish the Father’s will in the believer’s life.

Without the Spirit, the Bible will not be of any service to us. Notice that the Bible is our one weapon against Satan, but God refers to this weapon as “the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” Ephesians 6:17).

If we replace the Spirit’s presence with the Bible, we no longer have the sword of the Spirit, we have a human sword, as we will seek to use the word of God through the wisdom of man, which will not be enough to understand and apply the real truth the Bible contains. Satan himself knows the word of God better than we ever will, and he seeks to use it for his own evil agenda. Without the Holy Spirit making us holy, we can study the Scriptures but in our sinfulness we will use our knowledge for evil and not good, just like Satan.

Romans 8:13-14 states, “For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” Without the Spirit we cannot understand the Spirit’s written words. And without the Spirit’s written words, we cannot be sure we are truly being led by the Spirit. But notice that the above verse does not say that those who are lead by the word of God are sons of God but rather “all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” Many non-believers see some practical wisdom in the Bible, but only when the Spirit is in you does the word of God change your life.

How Does God Speak to Us? The Scriptures Confirm and Interpret the Spirits Personal Leading

To clarify, since the Holy Spirit is the one who used man to write the Scriptures, since the Holy Spirit is therefore the true author of the Bible (2 Peter 1:21), to be in communion with the Spirit and to know what the Spirit is speaking, we must be students of the Spirit’s Scriptures. Elevating the Spirit over the word should never diminish the word, but rather lift up the Spirit as God. The word helps us, but God and not the Bible is the real point.

To hear or feel the Spirits personal leading should never contradict, diminish, or make void the written word of God to us in our minds. God’s Scriptures always stand in judgment over our personal experiences in regards to hearing or feeling God’s individual leading of us because we are imperfect and God’s word is perfect. God will always use his word in personally leading us. Therefore seeking the Spirit’s counsel is not about God giving us extra-biblical information, but rather allowing the Spirit to apply biblical wisdom in a personal way to your life.

How Does God Speak to Us? The Holy Spirit (God) is Greater than the Bible, Which Does Not Diminish the Importance of the Bible

The Holy Spirit is greater than God’s Holy Scriptures. Again, this statement does not diminish the Scriptures but rather reminds us of the deity and Sovereignty of God the Holy Spirit. The Bible is living and active because the Holy Spirit wrote it through men. Without the Spirit the Scriptures would not exist. Without the Spirit no one can understand the Scriptures (2 Corinthians 2). Without the Holy Spirit we do not have the power to apply the Scriptures to our lives (Philippians 2:13).

“Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us” (1 John 3:24). Obeying God’s word confirms that you are being led by the Spirit. The Scriptures are the primary tool the Holy Spirit uses to speak, teach, and convict, but the Holy Scriptures are still a tool God uses and not a god to be worshiped in itself.

How Does God Speak to Us? The Holy Spirit’s Primary Means (not sole means) of Communication is the Bible

The Scriptures trump what you feel the Holy Spirit saying to you not because the Spirit does not speak to us individually but because the Spirit speaks to us individually what he has already spoken to us in his word.

Yes he applies the Bible to our unique circumstances and sometimes gives special leading on neutral situations not specifically stated in the Bible (Should I or should I not travel to visit my family for the holidays?). In addition to God’s word, God often speaks to us through the inner impression is Spirit puts our heart and also through our external circumstances.

But what God the Holy Spirit never does is contradict himself, which means God will never tell us to do something that contradicts his written and unchanging word. And what he primarily does is lead us through illuminating the truth in his Scriptures.

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  1. I thought your article was excellent. I found it after being given this context which I would love to have your input on. Thank you.

    First, no one denies that we are led of the Spirit. Indeed, all Christians are so led (Gal. 5:16-26). However, this leading is through the word revealed by the Spirit in the Bible (1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Tim. 4:1; Cf. Heb. 3:7; 4:7; Rev. 1:19; 2:1 — “write….hear what Spirit saith” — Rev. 2:7). When we read the Bible, we hear the Spirit. When we are obedient to what we read, we are led by him, that is, by the Spirit.

    Second, the Holy Spirit witnesses to us through the Scriptures; the Hebrew writer said so (Heb. 10:15-17).

    Third, not everyone who claims to be led by the Spirit is actually led by him (1 Jn. 4:1). If every claimant were led by the Spirit, why would the Spirit tell us not to believe every spirit? Why would the Spirit commend those who tested the spirits and found some to be “liars” if all are led by him (Rev. 2:2)?

    Common Errors of Spirit Led Claimants
    (1) Some, though not all, claim they “cannot resist the Spirit’s leading.” When they cause difficulty or stir family trouble, they say their problems are caused by the Spirit’s leading in ways they do not understand, and that they are unable to ignore that leading. Paul received a “heavenly vision” (Acts 26:19). However, he said, “I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision.” But, he could have been! He could have chosen not to do the bidding of God. Too, “the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets” (1 Cor. 14:32). Thus, one can control himself (and is expected to do so) while under the influence of the Spirit (1 Cor. 14:27, 28, 32, 33, 40).

    (2) They claim God is leading them to do his work in ways they never imagined! If that be so, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17, cannot be true. In that text, the Holy Spirit said the Scriptures completely equip the man of God “unto every good work.” Did the Spirit tell the truth? Or, are claimants of direct Spirit guidance telling the truth? One of them is lying. “Let God be true, but every man a liar,” especially if that man contradicts the witness of the Spirit in the Bible!

    (3) They cease to work and worship as the Spirit-led disciples of the New Testament did. We know first century Christians were led by the Spirit to “sing,” break bread “upon the first day of the week,” and to oppose all human traditions (Acts 2:42; Rom. 16:17; 1 Cor. 4:6, 17; 11:2; 2 Thess. 2:15; 1 Tim. 1:3; 4:16; 6:3-5; 2 Tim. 1:13). The “Spirit of truth” does not lead men to worship in ways he severely condemned in his revealed word (Col. 2:8, 18-23; 2 Jn. 9; Rev. 22:18, 19).

    (4) Charismatic Catholic claimants “feel led by the Spirit” to sprinkle water on infants. Certain Protestant claimants “don’t feel it is right” for them to do so. Does the Spirit tell one group one thing and another something else? Which “Spirit” shall we believe? What of the babies of the Protestant claimants who die without “baptism”? If both are “OK,” then it appears that God indeed is “the author of confusion” (1 Cor. 14:33)! Does the Spirit’s word in the Bible on this, and other topics, not matter at all (Jn. 12:48)?

    (5) They claim a special joy others cannot know or appreciate. The apostles never claimed such an exclusive privilege. John said, “I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth” (3 Jn. 4). Is it possible for every Christian to have such joy as John had? Yes! Since John, too, could have “no greater joy,” then those who say they have a joy above that of others are in error on that point.

    What the apostles had, others could share, if they were but obedient to the gospel (Phil. 4:9; 1 Jn. 1:3, 4; 2:3-5). If God gives them a select, restricted bliss, he is a respecter of persons, for he gives them something he does not give to other obedient children (Acts 10:34, 35).

    (6) They say their leading by the Spirit tells them not to discuss the Scriptures with those who disagree with them. If so, this reverses the order given those led by the Spirit in the New Testament (1 Pet. 3:15; Jude 3). It condemns the practice of the apostles (Acts 17:2, 3, 16, 17). The apostle Paul allowed and encouraged others to search the Scriptures to see whether or not he was teaching the truth (Acts 17:11, 12).

    However, if the Spirit now forbids such discussions, what shall Bible students do with Proverbs 28:4 and 2 Corinthians 10:3-5, which urge us to “earnestly contend” with those with whom we disagree? Ironically, and inconsistently, those who say it is wrong to “argue” often will argue at great length that it is wrong to argue! Will one who claims to be led by the Spirit today dare to challenge the charges made in this essay? If not, by what Spirit is he being led (2 Tim. 4:2-4; Titus 2:1, 15; 1 Jn. 4:1; Jude 3; Rev. 2:2-5, 12-16)?

    • Hi Starla,

      Thank you so much for your comments. The forwarded message you sent has a lot of intriguing topics.

      When being “led by the Spirit” we must first of all rely on what God has already communicated in the Bible. The Holy Spirit wrote the words of Scripture through the hands of men, so the Holy Spirit will never say something different than what he has already proclaimed in the Bible. However, the Holy Spirit does apply the message of the Bible to our lives in personal ways. Dallas Willard states that there are three biblical ways to be led by the Spirit:
      1. Through God’s Word, 2. through the Spirit’s internal impression on hearts, and 3. through our external circumstances.

      For example: If Dave felt like God was leading him to marry Amy, he could go to Scripture and see that marriage is good and believers should be united to believers, and est. If nothing in Scripture disqualifies his desire to marry Amy, then he should pray about it and see if the Holy Spirit is leading him to ask Amy. If he feels confirmation through an internal impression, he then moves forward. But then if he asks Amy and she says, “No”, Dave gives his best go at it, and after giving Amy plenty of time to consider it, she still says “No”, clearly God is not leading Dave to marry Amy. God may have led Dave to ask, but God is not leading Dave to marry her because God is speaking through the external circumstances.

      In summary, the Bible trumps everything when talking about being led by the Spirit. But God also leads through personal, internal impressions on the heart (like conviction of sin, leading to witness, discernment), and also through external circumstances.

      For more on this, I recommend Dallas Willard’s book “Hearing God: Developing a Conversational Relationship with God”

      Hope this helps, God bless!

  2. Thank you for your insight. Can you also help with the wording in this sentence, maybe a word missing? I just want to understand your point fully. Thank you

    In addition to God’s word, God often speaks to us through the inner impression is Spirit puts our heart and also through our external circumstances.”

    • Sure thing Starla. Yup, I had a typo there 🙂

      “In addition to God’s word, God often speaks to us through the inner impression His Spirit puts on our heart and also through our external circumstances.”

      PS: by “inner impression” I mean Biblical feelings like “discernment” or “conviction.”

      Hope that helps, God bless,

  3. If the Spirit has the power to lead us, then why do we think the Spirit is dependent on the bible, since the words of the bible came from the Spirit, and we hear the Spirit, why do we need the bible to know what the Spirit is saying, cannot the Spirit speak to us as he spoke to the men who wrote the bible. Cannot the Spirit lead us without the bible, or are we fools to think the Spirit is bound to his own book, is the book greater than the author.

    • I really appreciate your comments. One reason the Bible is essential is because the New Testament was written by apostles. One of the requirements for being an apostle was to have been an eye witness to Jesus in the flesh. Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot speak to us in the same way that he spoke to the apostles, meaning that the cannon of Scripture is closed. Certainly we can have the same intimacy with the Spirit as these men. But we will never be used to write more Scripture.

      Additionally, since the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible, and the Bible states that the word of God is truth (John 17:17), the Holy Spirit himself instructs us to use the Bible. The Holy Spirit is not bound to the Bible. The Holy Spirit is bound to himself, and since the Bible is the Spirit’s words, he will never contradict the Bible.

      None of this means the Holy Spirit can’t give us personal instructions. The Bible doesn’t say specific things like, “You should marry Susan.” So the Holy Spirit will have to lead you in that decision. But, for example, if you are a man and you feel the Holy Spirit tell you that you should marry Frank, since homosexuality is clearly condemned in Scripture, you can be sure God is not saying that.

      The Holy Spirit cannot give us personal words that contradict the Bible. Therefore, to know whether the Holy Spirit is really talking to you, it should be confirmed in Scripture. The Holy Spirit applies the truth of God’s word to our lives in personal ways.

      • Scripture says “you shall not kill” but Jesus said “if you hate your neighbor you have already murderded”. Scripture is not the final word of God. Scripture says that we are the letter, and that the law is written in our hearts by the Holy Spirit according to the new covenant. It is by the Holy Spirit that we obey the law, it is He that makes us rightoues. You say the bible is truth, but the bible says that the Holy Spirit is truth (John 16:13) and Jesus himself said that the Holy Spirit will take what is his and disclose it to his disciples. This clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is not in need nor does he disclose truth through the bible. The Holy Spirit gives fruit, we are the branches and Jesus is the tree. The bible says that there are three witnesses under heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, (1 john 5:7) The bible is not a fourth entity of the trinity of truth. The only word that ever came out of Gods mouth is the Holy Spirit, He is the “Word” , the bible says the word of God is living and active, people are living and active, animals are living and active, the wind is living and active, do you see the bible living and active. The “Word” is alive, it is always alive, it cannot be contained. The bible cannot save you, we must know the Holy Spirit in order to enter heaven or be sons of God(romans 8) In the scripture above, when it say’s your word is truth, Jesus is speaking of himself, He went on to say “I sanctify my self so that they may be sanctified through the truth” the bible is not more divine than Jesus, Jesus spoke of himself. Flesh deals with flesh, spirit deals with spirit, in so the Holy Spirit only deals in spiritual things, sword of the spirit is not the bible it is Jesus. What does scripture say “But their minds were closed. For to this day, the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed.” Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. (2 cor 3) What does it mean when it says “freedom”? The tree of knowledge is what destroyed adam, scripture is like that tree, it has the knowledge of good and evil, but it never removed man from evil, nor did it make him good, but once it commanded it became death, because we are slaves to that which commands, but the Holy Spirit is freedom.

          • Was it not prophesied “In the last days, God says,
            I will pour out My Spirit on “all “people;
            your sons and daughters will prophesy,
            your young men will see visions,
            your old men will dream dreams.” so how do you say the Holy Spirit cannot speak to us in the same way?

          • Prophesy and dreaming dreams are very different than Scripture. Christians today can have these gifts/blessings, but no one can add to the canon of Scripture.

            Just to be clear, do you believe the Holy Spirit can speak to you and then you could write new Bible verses? Do you believe God’s personal words to you has the same authority as the Bible?

            I want to affirm that the Holy Spirit does speak to us individually and personally. But when he does, it will never contradict Scripture.

          • I see you dont understand the very nature of the the law of life that the spirit gives, versus the the law of sin and death, until you understand this very concept, your always going to be confused. Wake up.

        • Hi Albert,

          Thanks again for your comments. The whole point of this blog was to show how the Bible is not to be worshipped (as can be seen from the subtitle).

          I agree fully that the Holy Spirit is God, the Bible is not. However, your logic is flawed because the Holy Spirit is the author of Scripture. To say that the Bible is not the final word on God’s truth is to say that the Holy Spirit’s words are not the final words on truth. 2 Peter 1:21, “For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

          You said, “Scripture says “you shall not kill” but Jesus said “if you hate your neighbor you have already murderded”. Jesus said this in Matthew 5 which is Scripture. Scripture interprets Scripture. You could never have known this truth without Scripture. The Holy Spirit uses the Bible to teach us. Without the Spirit we cannot understand the Bible.

          1 Corinthians 2:13-14, “And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

          Here we can see that we are to understand the truth “in words” (Scripture) through the Spirit. It seems your desire to elevate the Spirit (which is good) is being expressed by diminishing the Bible. The Holy Spirit is essential in opening the Bible to us. This is called the doctrine of illumination.

          Scripture and logic are clear: Since the Holy Spirit inspired the Bible’s words, when the Holy Spirit speaks personally, what he speaks will never be contradicted in Scripture. The Holy Spirit would will never say one thing in Scripture and then another to you personally. The problem with devaluing Scripture is that no one will know what the Spirit is really speaking to people. As Psalm 119:105 states, “Your word is light to my path.” Without the Scriptures, we can’t be sure what we think we are hearing is really from God. Imagine the problems that would occur if you said one thing and I said another and we both claimed the Spirit told us. The Bible is the final word on the Spirit’s truth because we know for certain the Holy Spirit authored the Bible.

          • Do you even hear your self, do you realize how contradictive you sound. Dont you know that scripture was written by prophesy and dreams, then you ask me if Gods words to me have the same authority as the bible. Do you realize how much authority you place on the bible above Gods words. God is the same authority every time he speaks, a constant power, If God speaks to me or any man, and it is written, it is Gods word. This is the authority Jesus placed on the Holy Spirit. Your theory is flawed, it is the Holy Spirit that gives the wisdom, not the other way around, without the Spirit, there is nothing in scripture to understand. You say I cannot know truth without the bible, with the same power that Jesus placed in the Holy Spirit to remind the disciples of Jesus words, by this same power the Holy Spirit can remind me, when the disciples forgot, it was as if they had never known, and the Holy Spirit can teach us as we have never known. You are confused, you will forever fight for your bible, but I will forever fight for the Holy Spirit, the truth, and the one who transforms us into children of God and allow us to enter heaven. You dont even know why you say the bible is the truth, because you were taught this, this saying has been implanted in the minds of men ever since the bible was put together by catholic sects, and introduced the saying “the bible only” a man made saying that cannot be found in scripture any where. As soon as you translate everytime the bible say’s “the word of God” to mean Jesus and the Holy Spirit, you realize that power is put back into divinity where it belongs rather than a book. Peace be to you brother, I will be praying for you !

          • The Holy Spirit forms the body of Christ, one body, one Spirit, whatever the Spirit says to me, he will also say to you, this is how we know the Holy Spirit!

          • 1 John 4:2-3, “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.”

          • I guess there are a few things you are not understanding here. For centuries the bible was never used, there was a great move of the Holy Spirit ever since the Holy Spirit started the church. Paul never taught scripture, in fact he called his teachings his own gospel. The letters of the new testament were never meant to be published, they were letters written to specific churches to deal with their specific problems. The old testament was written to remind the isrealites of prophecys that pertained to them. The old testament laws were written strictly for the isrealites, in fact at the time, God was only God to the isrealites, no other race acknowledged God, and the law in the bible was not the law of the land, but specific for isrealites who were the only ones who abided in these laws. Fact: Jesus brought the the covenant (promise) to end the old covenant(promise) Fact: the new covenant is the covenant of the Holy Spirit, which was to guide the church, the Holy Spirit did not have a ministry in old covenant times, he only showed up when God sent him. Fact: the Holy Spirit was also to become the bridal chamber, the one who transforms men into children of God. Fact: we cannot enter heaven without the Holy Spirit. When I told you that Jesus said ” If you hate your brother you already commit murder” and you told me that this was in scripture and scripture interprets scripture, Jesus told his disciples “I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear to hear it, however the Holy Spirit will come and guide you into all truth”. Scripture is not the end of Jesus words, the Holy Spirit is, and the Holy Spirit was not going to speak these words in scripture!

          • 2 Peter 3:15-16 “And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.”

            “as they do the other Scriptures” means Peter considers Paul’s letters to be Scriptures.

          • What Im trying to tell you, the bible did not rise up out of Jesus, the Holy Spirit did, the bible rose up by men trying to stop the Holy Spirits movement.

          • Hi Albert,

            It’s safe to say that we disagree greatly. I would basically be repeating myself if I was to respond to your most recent comments.

            It also seems you’ve become very angry over this conversation. For that reason I think it’s best to conclude.

            All the best to you,

          • Your doctrine of illumination debunks what the Holy Spirits job is, Jesus said “there is much I have not told you, and the Spirit will teach you, your doctrine teaches that the Spirit only repeats what has already been said.

          • No mark, not angry, It only comes across that way, but you are very right, you will only be repeating your self, because what you are saying can only be repeated and repeated until it is beleived, that is how it came about in the first place, thank you, best regards as well.

          • I only ask that you look at all those scriptures you posted a little closer, because every one of them eventually reveal the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

          • I know we ended our argument, and Im not trying to argue with you, but this statement baffles me. I mean first you say that the Spirit uses the bible to guide us, but then you say the bible is useless without the Spirit. Are you saying the Spirit uses the bible, or are you really saying the Spirit himself gives us truth? One minute you speak of the bible as holy, the next you talk about it as a useless book. If the bible was truth, if it is the word of God, if it is a holy sword, alive and active, all the things you say it is, should not the bible be a stand alone device? Truth should be truth no matter what. The bible should be able to hold its own. But yet you say “real” truth has to come from the Holy Spirit. This sounds to me like your saying the Holy Spirit holds a truth that is not in the bible, but how could this be, you say the Holy Spirit uses the truth that is already written, it does not make sense that there is a bible with written truth, but yet we cannot understand it, we cannot apply it to our lives, yet the Holy Spirit only speaks what is already written. Do you see how you are going in circles with this. What is already written is the truth, but we cannot understand what is already written because we need the Spirit to guide us, yet the Spirit only tells us what is already written. It sounds more to me like its not the bible that has anything to do with our guidance, but the words that come out of the mouth of the Holy Spirit (God). So where do you get your claim? You say the bible makes its own claim. In fact you use ephesians to make this claim, stating that the word of God which is the “bible” is the sword of the Spirit. Yet you say without the Spirit, the bible is not a spiritual sword. So, is the bible the sword or the Spirit? Well if you break down the armor of God you have these elements: truth, righteousness, gospel of peace, faith, salvation. If you understand any of these elements you would know that they all apply to Jesus. Jesus is the armor of God, and Jesus is who John described as the word of God, so it would make sense that Jesus is the sword of the Spirit, which is confirmed in this scripture Revelation 19: 11-21. But I know, you insist that the Spirit speaks through the bible. Ok, so if the Spirit speaks through the bible, which bible does he speak through? Kjv, niv, catholic bible, gnostic…….with so many bibles, each with its own translations and changing messages, which is the divine, infallible bible that the Holy Spirit uses? Let me guess, the kjv. If scripture was to be so important, if it was to be the source of the Holy Spirit for modern day christians, if we were to be so dependent on it, then why is there not one Holy Spirit translated version of the bible. Why didn’t the Holy Spirit go out of his way to make sure that there would be a divine bible, a bible translated by a trusted prophet, kept protected and Holy, as the scripture was when it was actually in use in B.C. The bible is translated so many times that there is actually confusion and debate over the real message, does God bring such confusion, would God have allowed such confusion. No, because he did not authorize the continuance of scripture, but brought us the Holy Spirit who is perfect, infallible, everlasting. You see, God stopped protecting scripture 400 years before Christ, He stopped the messages, because the bible was at its end, He then started preparing the path for the new covenant, which is Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. When God first made a covenant with his people, two tools were devised, the law, and animal sacrifice. These were both man made ways for “self righteousness”. In other words works! But neither of them were sufficient enough for salvation or righteousness according to God. There is nothing or no works that we could do to become perfect according to God. So what did God do? He brought a new covenant, and replaced the old tools with new tools. Animal sacrifice was replaced by a Holy sacrifice, a one time sacrifice that would be sufficient enough to bring salvation. And he replaced the self righteous law with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would create us children of God, able to stand upright, full of love for God so we do not disobey him, full of love for our neighbor so we do not offend him and full of fruit so we do not stand with wickedness, full of righteous and no need for a law. This is why paul said that we would become the letter, that the law would be written in our hearts. Since we receive salvation through Christ, do we continue our personal animal sacrifices? No, because animal sacrifices is works, and Christ in enough. So, when we are baptized in the Holy Spirit, why then did we return back to scripture, the Holy Spirit is enough. But I know, you want to revert back to the man made idea that throws out faith, and say that there needs to be a reference point, something tangible, something
            we can see, to be sure what is spoken to us is from the Spirit. This defies faith, because faith is the belief of what we cant see. The spirit is intangible, but he did leave us with a sure way to receive his message, and know that it is from him. The Spirit created the body of Christ. Something that the church refuses to put in place, because the bible blocks its very purpose. You said that when directed by the Spirit, we need to know it is him, his truth, and not some other spirit. This is exactly why the Spirit created the gifts of the Spirit. One gift of the Spirit is to recognize or discern false spirits, in fact there are nine gifts, ” wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, spirits, tongues, interpretation”. If within ourselves we can have wisdom and knowledge through a gift, what wisdom and knowledge? Something different than the bible? But you said the Spirit does not speak against himself? And what about prophecy and tongues, this is proof that the Spirit is speaking to us now, in modern circumstances, and because of discernment, we know it is the Spirit, and because of wisdom and knowledge, we know truth and have no need for a reference point. But what about the individual being led, how does he know it is the Spirit speaking to him. This is why the Holy Spirit gave us the power of the witness, when two or more are in agreement God is there! Whatever the Holy Spirit speaks to us, he will speak to two or three others, and they will confirm what the Spirit is saying. You see; paul admits that he never received his gospel through any man or man made devices, and Jesus sent his disciples with only the Holy Spirit, claiming the Holy Spirit will remind them, this is what the Holy Spirit does. Christians go to the bible, search out a scripture, and meditate on the Spirit, and receive an answer, but the Spirit only did his Job, which is to search the heart, and answer the heart. The answer did not come from the bible, that is why it seems to be some truth we cannot see in the written word. Ten people can use one scripture, and it seems that there are ten different answers, but there is only one answer, the answer to the individual heart. You see, you can close the bible and search the Spirit alone, and receive answers, because you receive the answer to the heart. You say yourself that not everything is written in the bible, and the bible is unclear on certain topics, and that these are neutral situations, but why would the Spirit divide between situations, and how do we know that it is the Spirit in the neutral situations, the same way we decipher all situations, through the body and gifts, you see, the bible only adds confusion. We know Jesus did not send his disciples with a bible, and we know paul did not walk around with a bible, otherwise why would the jews search the scripture paul was already preaching from. And if it was important to remain with scripture, then why is it not pauls main topic. Sure paul referenced scripture to be important, because it showed the way to salvation and righteousness, again, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, because both are only found in them. But paul never preached scripture, instead he insisted that we walk only in spirit, you take the phrase “the word of God” and try to reference it to mean the “bible” as an only attempt to say the bible speaks about itself. For example you take hebrews 4 and place the phrase “word of God” to mean the bible, but this scripture does not pause or break, yet it clearly shows in verse 14 that it is talking about Jesus. One thing is clear if we open our eyes, the bible is not the “word of God” that is claimed in itself, it was never preached to be the final judgement or word, and both of these claims belong to Jesus and the Holy Spirit………..Now im not trying to continue an argument with you, I know how deep rooted you are in the bible, and all you would do is repeat yourself, but the truth is coming, and so is the false truth, both coming with power, the bible cannot defend against this time, the body of Christ needs to be in full force and the gifts in full bloom. Spiritual weapons for a spiritual war.

          • 1 Corinthians 2:12-13, “Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.”

            2 Peter 2:20-21, “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

            The Holy Spirit used men to write the Bible. And only the Holy Spirit can reveal the truth of the Scriptures to man.

          • There you go repeating your self. The scripture you write does not confirm your statement ” the bible is the source for gentiles” Yes prophets wrote the scripture. Yes the message is from the Holy Spirit. Scripture contains isrealite law, isrealite history, prophecy which determined isrealite judgement, and the message of the coming Christ. What truth are you talking about? Paul revealed the Mystery not given in old times, that mystery is the Holy Spirit, marriage of the church, becoming children of God, case closed, end of scripture. The Holy Spirit does the rest.

          • Im going to leave you with one last thing, and then I am truly done. Lets go your route. Ok, so the Holy Spirit reveals a hidden truth in scripture. It illuminates us. Now we have truth. Now what? We keep following this truth daily? Because why? By doing so we are going to become righteous? Worthy? The isrealites followed scripture for hundreds of years, what does the bible do now, that it didnt do then? Did it gain truth that we now use that they didnt know about? Let me tell you Gods plan. God does not want men that can follow law, God wants children. God wants to fulfill his will of bringing all thing one again, and He can only do it through Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Im not sure what truth you keep thinking the Spirit reveals, but there is only two truths in the bible. Salvation and righteousness. You can be illuminated, but now what, can you save your self? Can you make your self righteous, can you become a new creature, can you make your selfe a child a God. So what truth is so important in the bible that we must keep going to daily? Until you understand this, you do not understand.

          • You said, “The isrealites followed scripture for hundreds of years, what does the bible do now, that it didnt do then?” See Romans 8:2-4, “For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

            People could not obey the Bible because they lacked the Spirit within them. The Spirit doesn’t replace the Bible. The Spirit helps us obey it. Without the law we would not know what to do. Without the Spirit we would not have the power to obey.

            Matthew 5:17-20, “17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

          • You really dont understand do you, you right the very scriptures that say, God did not replace the law, but He replaced the source. Its right in front of you, your trying to argue it to me, but you dont know what you argue. All that school, those diplomas, and all you gained was religion.

          • I will tell you one thing, it is a religious spirit that has you arguing with me. If you had one ounce of faith in the Spirit, and so much belief in the bible, then you would believe the Spirit would lead me to the bible, I have not denied the Spirit. I cannot convince you of nothing, as you me.

          • matthew 5:17-20 is a good scripture. If you are bound by the law, do not break the law or you will sin, but then Jesus compares the jews to the pharisees, the pharisees were the most religious in the land, no one followed the law more than them, they followed the law so religiously, that they became self righteous, there is only one way to become more righteous than them, and that is to become righteousness itself, to become god-like, to be children and heirs to righteousness. To become brothers with Christ. Its never enough to follow scripture, no matter who is leading you, for scripture is not the law, it only has the law in written form, God is the law.